Oct. 14, 2025
World of Payne EP3: Shutdown, Data, and the Fed: America’s Three Fronts
Washington is locked in a shutdown, America’s data pipeline is frozen, and the Federal Reserve is cutting rates while flying blind. In this 90-minute World of Payne deep dive, Tanner Payne breaks down three fronts of the same national crisis: a political shutdown costing billions, a CPI delay that blinds markets and seniors alike, and a Federal Reserve trying to steer through the fog. Hear both liberal and conservative takes, historical context, and what it all means for your paycheck, your savings, and the nation’s credibility. Sponsored by ValorBuilt Apparel — American grit, faith, and community stitched into every tee.
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Hello everyone to welcome back to the World of Pain podcast.
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I'm your host, and today we're talking about the three
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fronts right now that are shaping America's economy. Washington's shut down,
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the data blackout that's distorting how we measure inflation, and
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then the federal reserves balancing act of flying blind because
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between caution and collapse, they're all connected. Because when the
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government stops, data stops, and when the data stops, the
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FED begins to fly like a bat blind. We're going
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to unpack what's really happening, how both sides are spinning it,
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and what it means for your paycheck, your business, and
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your future. So buckle in. This is episode three titled
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shut Down, Data and the Fed. America's three fronts starts.
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Now here's where we stand. Let me set the stage.
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The federal government officially shut down for midnight in October first,
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twenty twenty five, the first day of the new fiscal year.
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Because the United States of America do not run their
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fiscal year with the calendar year, they run their fiscal
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year from October first to September thirtieth. Because Congress failed
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to pass even a temporary funding bill, both chambers tried,
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both failed, and now two weeks later we're feeling the consequences.
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I am going to post this at just after two
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weeks because at shutdown on midnight, I will finish recording
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this probably at exactly two weeks since shutdown. It's visible
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in empty museums, quiet offices. The Smithsodia Museums in the
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National Zoo locked their gates on October twelfth and thirteenth,
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and furlough notices have hit nearly a million federal workers.
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The White House Budget Office says the shutdown has cost
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the US economy between seven and fifteen billion every week.
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That's not imaginary money. It's miss paychecks, delayed contracts, frozen loans.
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Because you've got to remember the SBA is included in that,
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so small businesses aren't getting their loans or their grants
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that they that they need, some may need to survive,
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and nervous investors. But this shutdown is also different. Some
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agencies aren't just pausing, they're cutting. Over four thousand federal
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employees have already been terminated rather than for a load,
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something we haven't seen in modern shutdowns. Politically, this has
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become a trench. Our Republicans say the shutdown, say they're
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using the shutdown to force fiscal discipline and stop what
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they call blank check government. Democrats argue this is an
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economic sabotage, self inflicted wound that punishes workers to score
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political points. So tonight we're going to pull back the curtain.
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Who's actually responsible, what's really at stake, and how both
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sides are framing the same crisis very differently. Just to
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give you guys some context, a little bit of a timeline.
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Government officially shuts down on October first. No continuing resolution
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was what's passed. October eight through tenth eight failed Senate
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vote to reopen the government. October twelfth and thirteenth, Smithsonian
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and National Zoo closed their doors, with the symbolic impact
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in DC and National news. By October fourteenth, forty one
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hundred and eight federal employees laid off, not fur load.
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The economic impact is seven to fifteen billion per week.
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The Conservatives look at this as federal leverage, as fiscal leverage,
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using shutdown pressure to force talks on deficits, entitlement reform,
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and border funding. Selective pain does not equal collapse. Critics
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say closures are performative many essential services because stay open
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if priorities were managed. And the message is is short
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term pain for long term discipline, which I have to
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agree with to an extent. You can't sit here and
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just continue to run this government on a blank check
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where we're just gonna allow more and more debt to
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pile up. Our debt payments is one of the top
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line items on our budget. We are paying way too
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much for debt interest. We are paying way too much
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to try to pay down the principles of these debts.
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We are setting up our future generations for failure. This
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country is gonna crumble if we continue to just sit
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here and borrow, borrow, borrow. The government does. The actual
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real world does not run on blank checks. That check
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will be cashed at some point in time, and it's
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going to be a check that we can't cash. The
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liberal perspective is the government is a service, not a pawn.
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Shutdowns waste money via back pay and lost output. Real
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people suffer, Federal workers go unpaid, Programs for children and
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seniors pause, and the messages fiscal negotiation should happen through
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budget committees, not hostage situations. It's really funny that they
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say that, though, because they're the ones that are holding
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this hostage show as a clean resolution on the table
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that they could have passed just to continue to keep
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the government open while they continued the discussions. But they didn't.
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They chose to shut down the government to allow all
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these people to military, these government workers who are furloughed,
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the government workers who were laid off, They allowed for
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all this to happen. You can't sit here and tell
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me that pushing through a bill S two eight eight two,
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which was the one that they were trying to pass
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back a week ago, was packed full of bs. I
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covered it in a previous in the previous episode, episode two.
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I believe it was uh it was called. It was
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called S two eight eight two. It was about the
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Continuing Resolution and what the Democrats wanted in their bill.
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It was full of a bunch of inflammatory spending. And
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now the new Continuing Resolution is even worse. It's got
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more the more of the flamboyant burning spending that we
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cannot continue to do. The economic impact is nine hundred
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k fur load. Seven hundred thousand are working unpaid, with
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a total of one point six million affected. The NFIP
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suspension means thirty six hundred plus home closings are at
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risk daily, and that equals one point five billion in
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loss transactions. The ripple effect is local businesses in your
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national parks, museums, bases. They lose tourism and contract dollars.
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But that's not the only thing that they lose. They
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lose out on if they applied for an SBA grant,
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if they applied for grants through the USDA or any
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other any other grant giving agency that gives to small businesses,
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they're missing out on those and they might actually have
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prepaid contractors for work and now they're waiting for those
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grants to come through. So not only is the business
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missing out on that money, but the contractor that they
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hired to do the work to expand is now missing
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out on that money. It's a ripple effect that goes
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further than just the front line. The longest shutdown in
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history was in twenty eighteen twenty nineteen one. Again the
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Democrats held out to be able to get some flammatory
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spending pushed through their bills, and it costs roughly eleven
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billion dollars according to the Congressional Budget Office report, and
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this one is already rivaling that in just the two
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week loss that we've had the problem. The problems with
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the government shutdown go way further than just the amount
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of money that they that we lose. We It affects everything.
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It even affects your retirement accounts because the problem is
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is agencies like the BLS, the the Labor Board and
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stuff like that. In the census, they pause releases and
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it causes the investors to loose in the FED, to
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lose key signals. It repeated shutdowns also a road the
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international confidence in the US governance. Treasury yields can rise
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even without FED action. And the big thing with this
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too is is I just saw something the other the
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other day talking about this exact thing. Treasury yields are
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on the rise because people are looking at this shutdown.
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And we even tried to sell more in international bond markets,
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more debt because we had to pile more debt on
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for this to be able to continue spending at the
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government the way that the government does, and there was
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we struggled a little bit to sell the debt. Usually
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we don't because we're looked at as a pretty safe investment.
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And you can sit here and you can say there's
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other factors that go into that, whether it's the tariffs
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or anything like that. But if you have a government
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that shuts down for two weeks because you've got one
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side holding out when they could have continued and just
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made their payments through a clean continuing resolution that was
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that's been on the table and was on the table,
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it really changes the way you look at stuff you
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Michigan University of Michigan index often drops five to ten
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points during shutdowns. That's the consumer sentiment Consumer Sentiment Index,
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which means that people just aren't spending as much, they're
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not doing as much, they're more worried about what the
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further side effects of the of the government shutdown is
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going to be. I do want to I we're we're
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kind of through talking about the government shutdown, and I've
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covered I've covered this in depth through the S two
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eight eight two podcast. I covered it a little bit
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in the first podcast that I did, and I just
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kind of if you haven't seen those episodes, really dive
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deep if you're gonna pick one or the other, dive
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deeper into the episode two that covers S two eight
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eight two. But I want to ask you, guys, who
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do you guys blame for this shutdown? If you guys
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are on Spotify or YouTube. On Spotify, you can leave
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a comment on the episode. On YouTube, you can do
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the same thing. If you guys are listening on spreaker
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listen uh, you can leave comments on there as well.
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But just let me know what do you guys who
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do you guys blame for the shutdown? And then also
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should shutdowns be illegal as a negotiation tool or are
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they the only way to get spending under control? Let
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me know that the comments, but also through that, do
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you believe that we stop paying federal workers, we stop
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paying the military, but you know who still gets paid Congress?
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Do you believe? And please, if you're not going to
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comment on the other thing, please comment. Do you believe
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whether these people should still get paid? Do you think
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these people should be able to continue to collect their
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paycheck when they're forcing others to live without theirs? Because
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the truth is, this isn't about numbers on a spreadsheet.
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It's about trust and leadership, and that trust is a
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row on both sides, whether you're a Republican or a Democrat.
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The leadership is eroding on both sides, and the faith
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now back to the show. So that's kind of the
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political battle front, a shutdown costing billions and pushing Americans
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to the edge while DC dug its heels in. But
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the economic pain isn't just from lost paychecks. It's from
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lost information. When the government shuts down, the data stops flowing.
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And when the data stops flowing the flood the FED
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flies blind. And that's next the CPI delay in America's
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data blackout. When Washington shuts down, the nation doesn't just
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stop paying workers, it stops producing the numbers that drive
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the entire economy. The CPI index, or the Consumer Price
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Index as the acronym actually is, is the heartbeat America's
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data machine. It tracks what we pay for gas, rent, groceries,
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and medical bills. It shapes sec social Security COLA, or
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cost of living adjustments. It also dictates how much bond
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markets charge and interest, and determines how far paychecks really go. Normally,
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CPI arrives like clockwork on the second Wednesday of each month,
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but this year, with a shutdown freezing most of the
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Bureau of Land of Labor Statistics, September twenty five, CPI
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was pushed back to Friday, October twenty fourth, at eight
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thirty am Eastern Time. That's the first time in decades
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BOLS has had to reschedule an inflation report midyear. The
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reason many of the survey teams that gather price data
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were furloughed. Without field staff calling retailers or recording shelf prices,
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the numbers literally don't exist, and that matters because without
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CPI we can't calculate how much seniors social Security checks
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rise next January. The Treasury can adjust inflation protected bonds
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private contracts that rely on CPI clauses. Everything from rent
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escalators to labor union wage formulas all stall out. This
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is the hidden cost of a government shutdown, not just
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lost services, but lost truth. When data disappears, confidence disappears,
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and every political faction starts telling its own story. I
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just want to touch on on one thing within this.
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How is it that we're going to know what we're
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spending in social security? How are we going to know
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what to budget, what government spending on entitlement programs is
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going to be without a very important index number such
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as the CPI index. It also tells the Fed what
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they can set in what the inflation rate is, because
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that's how they make decisions whether a rate cut is
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necessary or to stay the same, or even if a
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rate rise is necessary. This is I haven't seen this
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politicized or push through enough, but it's because it's kind
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of fresh that they have actually really set a date
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to the release. But at some point in time, both
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parties need to come to the table. Both parties need
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to decide to give and take on spending. I know
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the one thing that the Democrats really want, the healthcare
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for illegals and stuff like that, which the way they
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say healthcare for illegals. It's not exactly specifically health care
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for legals. It's it's the classifications of what an eligible
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